Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Artsy Retail Therapy...for the HOLIDAYS...with Estudio Martita

Took a mini-break from artistic ventures in November and now back for some holiday fun! 

Happy to announce I'll be in Oakland this weekend for:

Holiday First Friday and Saturday Stroll at

Giovanna Tanzillo's Uptown Body and Fender

401 -  26th St., between Broadway andTelegraph  

Friday, December 7, 6-10 PM

Saturday, December 8th, 12-5 PM 

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Stop by to shop and choose from a fabulous selection of Bay Area artists and crafters selling their unique selection of artistic treasures.

Participating artists have  raised over $3000 to benefit Women's Cancer Resource Center. 

Here's a sample of some of the items I'll be showing!
Frida Rings
Cameo Pendants

home accessories / artwork

Hope to see you there!


Tuesday, November 6, 2012

SOMArts Dia de los Muertos Closing Reception - Calling on the Spirits



What: Closing Reception for Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future: Dia de los Muertos 2012, November 10
When: Saturday, November 10, 6–9pm
Where: 934 Brannan St. (between 8th & 9th)
How Much: $5 admission, no one turned away for lack of funds, advance tickets encouraged
Join the artists & curators behind Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future: Dia de los Muertos 2012 for the final opportunity to view and interact with more than 40 elaborate, traditional altars and multi-dimensional art installations on display in a visually rich gallery setting. Enjoy a Dia de los Muertos themed artist market and a cash bar and taco truck while supporting this annual tradition.
Eventbrite - Closing: Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future: Día de los Muertos 2012
Ticket prices have been reduced in an effort to make this event accessible to all, and in hopes that more of your friends and family celebrate life and honor the spirits of the dead along with more than 90 artists who have created these deeply touching and thought-provoking tributes.
Would LOVE to see you there!!

Saturday, November 3, 2012

Remembering Dad on Dia de los Muertos

I was very fortunate to have recorded a commentary for KQED's California Report about my altar "Healing Embrace" currently on exhibit at SOMArts in San Francisco. Thanks for taking the time to listen in.

For those living in the Bay Area or visiting, Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future, the Dia de los Muertos exhibit at SOMArts San Francisco will be open until November 10th. Its a beautiful exhibit!

Here are the hours:

 October 13–November 10, 2012
What: Calling on the Spiritis to Face the Future
Where: SOMArts 934 Brannan St. (between 8th & 9th)
How Much: Free admission
Gallery Hours: Tuesday–Friday, 12–7pm, Saturday 11am–5pm, Sunday, 11am–3pm

Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Recorded RADIO commentary for KQED'S California Report

I'm thrilled to share this with you.

I was fortunate enough to have recorded a commentary for the California Report on KQED 88.5 Radio! It is a description of my altar, Healing Embrace and describes the reasons for its creation. It will be aired this Friday, November 2nd at 4:30 and 6:30. 
Healing Embrace
The commentary will also be archived on the California Report http://www.californiareport.org/ and it will have a slide show of the altar plus photos of my studio. 

Again, hope you can listen in on the radio this Friday at 4:30 or 6:30pm. Remember, you can also listen live online at http://www.kqed.org/radio/listen/

If you miss this or would like to listen in again, The California Report is archived at:  http://www.californiareport.org/

Healing Embrace is currently on exhibit at SOMArts San Francisco for the Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future, Dia de los Muertos exhibit until November 10th. The exhibit is really beautiful!

Thanks for your support!


Friday, October 26, 2012

I'm Ready!

view of Estudio Martita
Open Studios at 1890 Bryant St. San Francisco
The studio is ready. The doors will be opening at 6pm tonight.
Saturday and Sunday we will be open from 11 to 6pm.
Great art, photography, textiles, ceramics and other surprises.

Here's where we're located. Stop by!!

Monday, October 22, 2012

Open Studios at 1890 Bryant St. San Francisco

Dama on Bike

Hi all.
So much art activity going on in the month of October! I want to remind you that I have a big event coming up this very weekend.

Yes, its that time for Open Studios in the Mission.

I have some new paintings that I look forward to sharing with you. The Dama on Bike is part of my Thick Girl Series. I'll also have some calavera paintings inspired by Dia de los Muertos. As always there will be a few new Frida Kahlo paintings for those Frida followers out there. In addition, I'll have some select jewelry and Latino inspired home accessories.

There's lots for everyone to see!

Here's the details:
Where: 1890 Bryant St. (between 17th St. & Mariposa) Studio 318, 3rd Floor
When: Friday October 26  6 to 9pm (Opening Evening Reception)
Saturday October 27  11 to 6pm
Sunday October 28  11 to 6pm
Who: Martha Rodriguez & Estudio Martita

Hope you can stop by for a visit!


for more views of artwork please click here: http://www.artspan.org/artist/martharodriguez

Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Healing Embrace - experience becomes art

Healing Embrace 
altar installation 
SOMArts 2012 Dia de los Muertos Exhibit

My altar installation is almost complete. A few more flowers have to be made and then I can step back and enjoy the end results. So far I am amazed to see an otherworldly experience I had, become a visual statement of art. I feel a combination of happiness, satisfaction, sentimentality. All feelings are very powerful. I also feel very relieved to have this experience out of my head and onto an art form that can be shared with many.

Artist Henson Flye, created the fabulous hands in my altar. After meeting with him and sharing my experience, sketches, some background info on what my Dad was like, he put together an amazing sculpture of hands made from chicken wire and tape. Together we painted the hands white then inserted white lights to illuminate the hands with amazing results.

 If you live or happen to be visiting the San Francisco Bay Area, Calling on the Spirits is opening this Friday, October 12th  and runs through November 10th.

Here are more details:
Opening Reception, Friday, October 12, 6–9pm, $7–10 sliding scale admission. 
Tickets: http://callingonthespirits.eventbrite.com  

What: Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future: Día de los Muertos 2012
When: October 13–November 10, 2012
Where: 934 Brannan St. (between 8th & 9th)
How Much: Free admission
Gallery Hours: Tuesday–Friday, 12–7pm, Saturday 11am–5pm, Sunday, 11am–3pm


Here's a few new photos of Healing Embrace:

Saturday, October 6, 2012

Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future - Dia de los Muertos, SOMArts, San Francisco

  • I'm one of forty artists who will be creating an altar installation in honor of those that have passed on as well as using their artistic interpretations on the state of life, living and politics in the present day world.

    My installation, called Healing Embrace, will be in honor of my dad, Jake Rodriguez who's strong presence I felt during my 8 month treatment of Leukemia and who's guidance I feel now in everyday of living.

    Life is a gift and I'm happy to be living it!

    OPENING RECEPTION: Friday, October 12, 6–9pm,
    $7–10 sliding scale admission.
    Tickets: http://callingonthespirits.eventbrite.com/

    EXHIBIT DATES & HOURS: October 13–November 10, 2012
    SOMArts 934 Brannan St. (between 8th & 9th)
    Free admission
    Gallery Hours: Tuesday–Friday, 12–7pm,
    Saturday 11am–5pm,
    Sunday, 11am–3pm

    Here's more photos from the photo shoot by Rio Yanez
    and some of my work I'll have in the altar.

    from photo shoot for Calling on the Spirits,,,photo by Rio Yanez ,
    model,  Mayra Ramirez
    Enlarged photo of my Dad, Jake Rodriguez
    Spirit Face - made of paper mache and wire 
    - to be hung 
    at back wall of altar

    Spirit Face - made of paper mache and wire - to be hung on
    back wall of altar
    handmade paper flowers w/ gold paint for decoration in altar

    There will be many installations to see, view with diverse and varied looks, interpretations. 

    Hope you can stop by!

Saturday, September 15, 2012

Healing Embrace

Jacob "Jake" Rodriguez -   my father
photo is head shot from his early singing career,
San Angelo TX 1930's
I will be creating an altar for the Dia de los Muertos 2012 exhibit at SOMArts called:
Calling on the Spirits to Face the Future. There will be a total of 40 artists creating various altar installations, each bringing their own unique message and sharing it with the public.

My particular installation has to do with my 2010 diagnosis of Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia. Here is my proposal as presented to the Dia de los Muertos staff at SOMArts.

My installation will be based on an experience I had with my father who has now been deceased for eleven years.  One month before my November 30, 2010 diagnosis of Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia, I felt the presence of my father. It was as if we were sharing the same physical space.  I felt his arms around me as I carried on with my daily life. In the nine years that he had been deceased I had never felt such a tangible presence from him. Photographing the Dia de los Muertos 2010 procession in San Francisco on November 2,  I stopped to talk to some friends. I told them about feeling a powerful presence from my father where he had his arms around me. I hugged them with encircled arms, demonstrating how it felt.  That conversation, the feeling of my father’s  presence with his arms around me,  followed by my ensuing Leukemia diagnosis was a profound, otherworldly experience.

My altar therefore will be based on the encircling arms of my father, along with the presence of my ancestors, friends living and passed on, who gave me and have given me the strength, clarity of mind and positive outlook to endure eight months of treatment...."

The photo of my Dad posted above, is what will be hung at the center of the encircling arms. I love this photo. It shows my Dad in his youth, with his life ahead of him. He seems to be so full of hope, happiness, confidence. He had his singing career while also working, helping to support his family. Life was full of work and wonder. 

In many ways, it is those feelings that I used in facing my Leukemia diagnosis and treatment. Darkness, despair, had no place in my Leukemia treatment and hospitalization. Life was all about living, getting through each day. It was about making friends with the nurses, cleaning people and yes, the doctors too. Fear always played a role in facing each chemo regimen or invasive test. Yet, I was always able to grab the strength I knew I had. I hung onto the strength I remembered my father had while he was hospitalized for various ailments. He never gave up. It wasn't until at eight-seven, that his body was just too tired to continue. Then, he let go.

Finally, the message I am relaying in my altar, is that my Dad returned to me after nine years. This was not in physical form but for lack of better words, in spiritual form. He came a month before my diagnosis - almost in preparation for the debilitating fatigue that would overtake me in that month. Our worlds intersected. He helped me with the shock of the diagnosis, hospitalization, treatment and recovery. There were many, many days during my hospital stays, when I could see his face, greeting a doctor, or cleaning person. He was friends with everyone in his hospital kingdom. He is still with me today. My Dad. He was a complicated individual, full of opposing forces. He was human. He loved me.

In addition to my Dad, I had an enormous community of family, family of friends who gave me so much love and support. It was like they "Skyped" my Dad in the heavens and said, "Hey Jake, we've got to work together here. We've got a job to do." I love them all!!!

Thursday, September 6, 2012



showing my artwork & jewelry...


UPTOWN BODY & FENDER, First Friday Art Murmur
401 26th St. between Broadway and Telegraph, Oakland
Friday, September 7, 6 to 9pm

Come visit at September’s First Friday event 
in Oakland!

Uptown Body and Fender
401 26th St. between Broadway and Telegraph, Oakland

There will be approximately 30 artists selling their work along with music and treats. Stop by. It should be fun!

Interior of Uptown Body & Fender

Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Estudio Martita @ Galeria de la Raza - Sunday Streets

Looking forward to celebrating the end of summer on the streets of the Mission. The Galeria de la Raza will be a blast of activity with silk screening demos by Dignidad Rebelde , FAB handcrafted gifts courtesy of myself - Estudio Martita and Oscar Cisneros of Tu Tienda Azteca, a sugar skull making worshop led by Michele Simons of The Sugar Skull Gallery  and the "Beautiful Trash" art exhibit created by Adrian Arias. 

So much to see! So much to do! All kinds of fun!

Sunday, August 5, Sunday Streets in the Mission
11:00am - 4:00pm
Free and open to the public
new Frida Kahlo shadow box by Estudio Martita

Sunday, July 8, 2012

Pasión de Frida

What a fabulous time was had by all at the Pasion de Frida opening celebrating our beloved Frida Kahlo's birthday, Some came dressed - children and adults - in their favorite Frida persona and won prizes. Others came to view the incredible artwork on display until August 28th by Hector Silva, Pamela Enriquez, Emily Costello, David Flores, Michael Roman, Rachel Anne-Palacios, Martha Rodriguez (that's me), Ronnie Goodman, Maria Sanchez, Carlos Villez, Minche Michi (Michelle Juarez) and Francisco Franco. The artwork is visually stunning! Also stunning and fabulous is our curator,  Bird Levy who's vision and hard work is forever appreciated!!

If you live in San Francisco or the Bay Area or are visiting, please stop by Puerto Alegre for their delicious food (YUMMMMM!!) and for the artwork on display for Pasion de Frida. You will leave with your tastebuds singing and your eyes dancing!

~ from Yelp

Puerto Alegre

3.5 star rating
748 reviewsRating Details
Category: Mexican  [Edit]
546 Valencia St
(between 16th St & 17th St)
San FranciscoCA 94110
Neighborhood: Mission
(415) 255-8201

Here are some pics of some of the fabulous artwork on display (until 8/28) at Puerto Alegre and a link too.

David Flores

Emily Costello

Francisco Franco

Hector Silva
Martha Rodriguez (that's me!)

Happy Sunday and have a great week!


Monday, July 2, 2012

VIVA FRIDA - Friday Nite Fridas

Went to a wonderful event on Friday evening at the de Young Museum in Golden Gate Park.  The event was called: Viva Frida: From the Blue House to the Catwalk.  Museum goers were asked to celebrate their inner "Frida" in the Gaultier-inspired or the traditional fashion in a program curated by Rene Yañez. There was a Frida fashion fashion show, with entertainment in the form of dancing and singing Of special note was the singing of Liliana Herredia who belted and crooned an assortment of melodies accompanied by a fabulous guitarist. The Frida interpretations by volunteer models were varied, beautiful, outrageous and creative. What a site to see. What a celebration. This was memorable. Really memorable. 
I'm posting a few photos I took of the evening. If you'd like to see more, go to:



There is, by the way a Jean-Paul Gaultier exhibit going on now at the de Young Museum called 

The Fashion World of Jean Paul Gaultier: From the Sidewalk to the Catwalk which is pretty wonderful. If you live in the area or will be in the area, it is well worth  a visit.

Tomorrow is the Opening for Pasión de Frida. I have 4 Frida inspired items in the show. Hope you can stop by for the opening tomorrow. It is from 3 to 5pm at Puerto Alegre Restaurant 546 Valencia St. between 16th and 17th streets.

Happy Monday all!

Saturday, June 30, 2012

SUNDAY STREETS @ Galeria de la Raza

I'll be participating at this wonderful event, 

Sunday Streets: July edition

Sunday, July 1, 2012 | 11:00 am - 4 pm

If you're heading over to the Mission for the latest installment of Sunday Streets, stop by Galeria for a Sunday treat. We'll be setting up a pop-up shop in the main gallery space featuring eyecatching works from local artisans including Oscar Cisneros, Marta Rodriguez, and a live screenprinting demo by Melanie Cervantes and Jesus Barraza of Dignidad Rebelde

Neighborhood artist Michele Simons will be leading workshops all day in Studio 24 - drop-in to make your very own MARACAS! 

Thursday, June 21, 2012

Pasion de Frida

Will be one of the artists participating in this lovely show honoring the birthday of Frida Kahlo: born on July 6, 1907. Beautiful work will be on display from artists across the country honoring the legacy of La Frida! Hope you can stop by for the opening. Show runs until August 28th.

Sunday, June 17, 2012


Yesterday, in my haste to post photos on Facebook, pin on pinterest, followup on emails and post on my blog, I couldn't get my photos to load properly. Instead of deleting the blog post, it was posted with no info. Horrors!!! Zut alors. Que lástima!

Well today, Sunday, I'm back and posting with photos in the right position. Also, not in such a 
rush which is a good thing.

Here's my latest work for June. Sometimes I wish I could work faster and be more prolific but I'm 
only as fast as my mind, fingers and hands will take me.

The first is a painting of Frida among cacti. She is wearing a rebozo of  cactus with thorns signifying 
her life filled with pain.

The second painting is of the view of a woman sitting who has a very voluptuous butt. I love to 
celebrate the various shapes of women - particularly large woman. That there is beauty in every 
shape is the message I'm trying to convey. This painting is part of my Thick Girl series

On other fronts, today is Father's Day. Made breakfast for husband Gary and my son Mario is coming over with his wife Adela and my grand kids Leo and Isabelle. My daughter Gaby is making enchiladas and I'm helping her. Should be fun with lots of noise. Isabelle, at one, loves to scream, in delight, particularly at dog Chip.

Another day...


Frida, Life in Chains 24 X 30, mixed media: gel medium, acrylic on canvas

Frida, Life of Thorns, closeup

Red Dress, 24 X 30, acrylic on canvas

Red Dress, closeup

Monday, June 4, 2012

Photo-op with Mayor Ed Lee

Out yesterday, Sunday, working Sunday Streets at Galeria de la Raza on lower 24th Street. Selling my jewelry and crafty items, the streets were alive and happening with a great mix of latinos and hipsters or latino hipsters, other San Franciscans and visitors promenading, bicycling, skateboarding or riding unusual two or three wheeled vehicles blowing bubbles or blasting music everywhere. It was a scene!

This is the San Francisco I fell in love with many years ago. All types of people on the streets, enjoying the sunshine (in June?) and feeling like a true community. I believe events like Sunday Streets provide San Franciscans an opportunity to enjoy our neighborhoods. Our incredible diversity is highlighted in these events. We walk away feeling united, happy to live in such a beautiful city while together dealing with high rents and housing prices, a slightly improved employment rate, homelessness, sometimes frustrating politics, dismal public education. Yes, it all looks pretty on the outside but like any city, there are issues. At least we have Sunday Streets to remember why we live here.

Did I mention politics earlier?

Mayor Ed Lee was doing a "walk through" of various businesses and organizations yesterday on Lower 24th Street. He stopped by, with his peeps (group of staff members and supervisors) to talk with people. He spoke with Ani Rivera, the Executive Director of Galeria de la Raza for a few minutes. Having my camera...I saw my own chance for a photo op. Working on adrenalin, I asked one the staff members whether it was okay to take a photo with the Mayor. He said Mayor Lee was very nice and I should just ask him. Ani was nice enough to introduce me to him and I immediately blurted out, "I live in Glen Park too." He came back with, "All the artistic people live there." I loved that! One of his staff members volunteered to take the picture with me in it. When we lined up, I didn't know where to put my hands. I asked the Mayor: "Can I touch you?" A few guffaws erupted from his staff. Mayor Lee said Yes to my question so I carefully placed my hand on his shoulder. It wasn't until I got home that I thought about how my question of "Can I touch you" might have been inappropriate to say to the Mayor or anyone else for that matter.

Sometimes too much adrenalin doesn't always work in your favor!

Here's the pic (and other Sunday Street photos follow)

Ani Rivera, Mayor Ed Lee, me and assistant to Mayor Lee

Michele Simons and some of her clients making flowers @Galeria de la Raza on Sunday Streets
Oscar Cisneros of Tu Tienda Azteca selling his FAB folk art at Galeria de la Raza, Sunday Streets
Sunday Streets in front of Galeria de la Raza on Lower 24th St.

Friday, May 18, 2012

Staying in the Middle

Let Go of the Past! 
Live for Today! 
Don't Worry About the Future!

That is a lot to live by when each day can be a challenge. Lately, I've felt challenged by my days. I'm feeling somewhere in between happy and sad. I feel like I'm stuck in an in-between time where nothing is clear. There are no clear answers to dilemmas, to fears, to joys. I decided that I need to review where I am at this point in time.

I am now nine months out of the hospital. I completed my eight month treatment for ALL (Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia. I have been in remission for fourteen months. I am taking oral meds for post hospitalization / maintenance of my remission for another two years, possibly less. My oncologist says I'm healthy. He's happy. I'm happy. Yet...

It is impossible to not be frightened by the sudden appearance of my Leukemia in 2010. I had such a rapid disintegration of my health. It feels that it took about one month to get to the point where I couldn't walk one block without being terribly winded and having to rest. At my studio, I had to walk up three flights of stairs. I had to rest at each landing to make it up the next flight of stairs. I would be so winded and tired when I reached the third floor, I just wanted to cry. After waking up each morning and going into the shower, I was exhausted from having to wash myself. I hardly had the strength to finish and climb out of the shower. 

I knew something was wrong when I normally had the strength to convince myself to keep working, keep going. My brain was sending this message to my body but my body was incapable of completing the request. After finally getting blood work done (the day before Thanksgiving 2010) I had to wait for the results until the following Monday. It was a major holiday after all. I got a call from my doctors office that Saturday. The office was closed but the nurse responsible for reading results called and said my blood work was highly irregular. She said she would be in touch with my doctor. Doctor then called and said to come in first thing on Monday. My husband Gary took me to the appointment. I could hardly walk to the elevator and ride up to my doctors office. I felt like I needed to be carried. I asked about Leukemia but my doctor said she would have to consult another physician before telling me what was next. We left the office. Gary got the car and I shuffled inside. 

By the time we got home, the doctor had already called. She said to get to the nearest emergency room immediately. Gary insisted on UCSF since they have the most advanced oncology unit. They took me immediately into the ER. The nurse on duty said I looked extremely pale. Once in a room, there was a rush of machines, blood, various doctors, nurses, technicians. It was whirlwind and almost a blur. After many hours, they moved me to a floor. I was so tired but I felt so relieved that I could get help. After a few days, a group of three doctors came in and told me I had Leukemia. I wasn't frightened by the news. I was relieved. I asked them when I could start treatment. They said  the next day or something like that.

The funny thing about my initial diagnosis was that I never felt hopeless. I knew I was in for a long stay, a battery of tests and treatment. I wasn't afraid. I somehow knew I was going to get through it and see the other side - a healthy side.

My hospital stays were lengthy, sometimes difficult. I had some side effects. The bone marrow biopsies were painful. I hated being connected to the medication stand that I had to pull around with me. HATED THAT THING. It made me feel like I was in chains. I did enjoy the nurses. Most of them - 98% of them were WONDERFUL, hard working, interesting women and a few men. I liked most of my doctors. I also enjoyed bursting the egos of some of them who were too arrogant to be wearing grown up pants. Felt like some of them should still be in diapers or should have been spanked when they were kids. How very un-p.c. of me!!! Made friends with a few patients. Lost some to their particular cancer. All I knew was that I was going to persevere. I had my husband, kids and grand kids to live for. I had my artwork to return to. I was determined to live longer than my 56 years.

Well, I did it. I made it through. I did the eight months and have stayed healthy.

So that is my Leukemia diagnosis past. It sometimes does not scare me. It happened to me. I had no choice in it other than to survive. Today, in writing it down, it does sound scary to me. WOW...that happened to ME!! I went through all of that. I'm sitting at my computer writing about this and healthy. 

So in living for today, I find myself feeling that life and living is an amazing accomplishment. I feel that right now. Other times, I have to battle with doubts, fears, anger. Often times, I have to remind myself that I didn't get to this point so that I could get mired in self-pity and doubt. I have to bat the negative feelings away.  It feels like I'm clearing out the clouds to make way for the sunshine.

Its a constant battle to stay in the present. The past is a part of me. How I deal with it is the challenge. The present challenges me to look at my accomplishments, the family my husband Gary and I have created. Painting, creating without any formal training has been a huge challenge but something so important to me. Evaluating what works for me, what can be changed, what I  need to let go of is all part of the work I do in the present. It is daunting but I'm determined to let go of the unhealthy and celebrate the wealth of good that surrounds me.

The future. It can be so difficult to keep the fear of what lays before me at bay. I try to not give these thoughts much time. There are days when the fears of how long I have in this life lay just outside my view. It feels like seeing fog just off the coast when you are standing in sunshine. The fear is always there. All I can do is refuse to let it control my present life too much. I have experienced a brush with a life threatening disease. As my friend Yolanda says, "It was like a blip in time." Right now, it feels like it came and went. 

SO....that is how I'm living my present life. On most days, I'm enjoying the sunshine. I love my husband and kids. I have a new dog named Chip who is a rescue from the San Francisco SPCA. People I introduce him to remind me he is a rescue but that isn't why we adopted him. He is just so damn cute. Just look at his picture!! I'm going back to New Orleans in a few days. Back to friends Csaba and David. Back to the River House, the Marigny, Bywater, the Quarter, Frenchman Street, cemeteries, music, the Mississippi. I LOVE NOLA!

Chip, our new addition
Spitz mix?, 3 years? one leg shorter than others from life on streets

SO....there are great days, good days and crummy days. That is my present. That is what I know. That is what I'm learning.

Have a great weekend and thanks for reading through my ramblings if you made it through! Fortunately, I'm not feeling stuck anymore.